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1) Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:42 PM

I have seen the Mary video, and of course Rome IS the Baylonian Harlot who has shed the blood of the martyrs and drunk with idolatry, and bent on global domination. Rome is pure evil.


2) Posted 02 February 2005 - 02:46 AM

I expect you to run away, after making sure you tell lies and slander me. You are the false teacher. All religious hypocrites are exactly what they falsely accuse others of being.

You cannot properly exegete this passage. It is clear you don't know how to exegete a passage. You simply superimpose you ideas onto a text. Hence you are guilty of wresting the Scriptures to your own destruction, just as Peter warned people like you, who trust in water rather than the blood of Christ.


3) Posted 29 January 2005 - 09:36 PM

Nonsense, we owe nothing to Rome there Foggy, except that they produced confused and embittered people like you who saw the evil and hypocrisy, and wrongly concluded Christianity must not be true, look at its adherents! You are looking at the wrong group--this one we were warned about in the Bible--Rev 17.

As for burning witches--you guys forget something. The pilgrim fathers founded a nation and made laws. They forbade witchcraft as well as kidnapping, stealing etc. If someone wanted to live in this new nation, its understood they had to obey the laws of the land. Witchcraft was against the law and a capital offense. To our pilgrim fathers, this behavior was an affront to God and would bring His displeasure upon the nation. If the witches didn't like it, they just could have left. Don't blame the pilgrims for following through with their laws.

The Catholic cult on the other hand, persecutes anyone who doesn't agree with her.


4) Fog:

The "church" said no such thing. The Roman Catholic Cult said those things, not real Christians. The BIBLE TOLD US 2700 years ago that the world was ROUND--A CIRCLE. So the poor persecuting dupes at the Vatican were wrong, that's all. Get your facts, or the lack thereof, straight.


5)Posted 29 January 2005 - 03:28 PM

Super Jew:

You forget that I have read church history, and I know what gnosticism is, and their dualistic tendencies, as well as the Manichean manifestation of those beliefs later on in history. When I called 1John "dualistic", i was doing so tongue-in-cheek. As with many errors, there are grains of truth in them, but they are taken out into left field. The Bible is a dualistic book per se. In 1John God is called "light, and in Him is no darkness at all". You find this kind of talk all over the Scriptures.

The dualism of gnosticism was that matter was inherently evil and that gnosis was all that mattered. What you did in the flesh was irrelevant.

I have tried to understand gnosticism many times. Like Calvinism for example. Even though I believe the whole system is unscriptural and blasphemous, there is a logic and consistency about it. Many wrong doctrines have at least that.

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Let's take a gander at mindless nutbagism run amuck.

Well I want to make this video to quickly respond to Robycop, a

Ad hominem #1

in-the-flesh,hateful poster

Ad hominem #2

on YouTube and elsewhere who hates the King James Bible,
Has he ever said he hates the King James Bible? If not, this is LIE #1.

apparently and hates people who believe it reflects the original manuscripts, that it reflects the traidtion of the correct stream of manuscripts bequeathed to God's people in the English language...English people who God used to take the gospel to the ends of the earth. So common sense would say that He would get them the right Greek and Hebrew and an accurate translation in His providence during the Reformation when He planned on taking the gospel to the ends of the earth.

Now people like him can't see this but I'm going to get right to the point. He keeps lyingly saying like others of his persuasion who are liars, rabid liars, that our beliefs came from a cultist, a Seventh-Day Adventist named Benjamin Wilkinson in 1930. Well is that true? Were there no people who believed in the Textus Receptus being the right Greek text, the Masoretic Text in Hebrew and ultimately the God used the King James translators to faithfully and accurately translate that text so we have the Word of God in English? Did no one believe that before some obscure book written by an obscure man was found by some people? Is that what we're supposed to believe?

Well I'm going to read one quote here from a preacher called DeWitt Talmage. Now there were a lot of preachers in the 16 and 17 and 1800s that we may not have heard of that had a lot of influence. I'm going to read a quote found on the Internet about this man, DeWitt Talmage. It says he was "Originally a Dutch Reformed minister, Reverend Talmage became a Presbyterian minister and pastored the First Presbyterian Church in Washington,D.C. Very popular, some 5000 or more flocked to hear him each week. An estimated 20 million people read his sermons, published in 3000 newspapers throughout the world. (That's just one guy). Talmage was the prototype of oratorical preaching. He never used a pulpit, but paced up and down the platform while speaking - without notes.

(Found: http://www.bibleteacher.org/sermons2b.htm

All right, so this guy spoke to 5000 people a week and 20 million people read his sermons and they were published in 3000 newspapers and in 1880, he said the following things:

Now let us divide off. Let those people who do not believe the Bible and who are critical of this and that part of it, go clear over to the other side. Let them stand behind the Devil's guns.... Give us the out-and-out opposition of infidelity rather that the work of these hybrid theologians
(Westcott and Hort and Robycop's heroes), these mongrel ecclesiatics, these half-evoluted people who believe the Bible and who don't. I take up the King James translation. I consider it a perfect Bible.

He said that in 1880. Volumes 4 of his sermons and volume 18, you'll find these things.


So that's a good fifty years before the obscure Seventh-Day Adventist who most Christians have never heard of or read wrote a obscure book that almost no person has ever seen. So now that's what berthed the King James movement? No, you're wrong Robycop. Now I've been posting this information, information like this for ten years for people who have been making this lying claim and here's my experience: the new version people, the hate King James crowd doesn't care about facts. They claim to be Christian but when you post the truth to them or when
you show them the truth, they continue telling the same lies because that's what they're committed to.

They are some of the most vile, foul, name-callers that I've ever encountered. They talk like...if you go preach at a at a gay pride event imagine what you're going to encounter talking to all these rabid sodomites who are angry and hateful that you're there preaching the
truth. Well, that's what it's like talking to people like Robycop, who claims to be a Christian but I don't believe you 1) because you're a liar; and 2) you cannot be corrected, and 3) you're full of hate. You spew out vile venom. The love of God is not in you, the love for the truth is not in you. You're not defending God's Word, you're attacking it and you want to destroy people's faith in the preservation of Scripture. That
is your pathetic, heretical position and you don't care how low you go. You'll say anything to promote your view. It's pretty sad.

Now I have one more quote about Brother Talmage. It says, "Thomas DeWitt Talmage, the legendary New York core evangelist bitterly opposed the Revision of the New Testament in 1881." He was one of many. He claimed that the great masses of people thought the revision a'desecreation, profanation, and religious outrage.'" So there were tons of people under
this man influence teaching them the King James Bible was the Word of God in English, and he was attacking the first revision, so-called, of it, which was just a perversion of it, a corrupting of God's Word through apostate Protestants, Unitarians, Trinity deniers - men who denied the Deity of Christ, and concealed Roman Catholics. That's who was on the committee with Westcott and Hort in 1881. I'm supposed to believe THEY gave us the right Greek text and the right Bible?

You see, the King James Bible is the Protestant Bible...it's the Bible of ALL Bible-believing groups. So again, there is absolute proof in 1880, thousands of people, a great mass of people were opposed the Revised Version and thousands of people every week heard this man preach. He taught the King James Bible was the Word of God, and he reached 20 million people in 3000
newspapers in his lifetime with his teachings.

So for Robycop to continue to say what he said even though this evidence has been put forward just shows what you're dealing with. You are dealing with enemies of God's Word who want to come and say, "Did God say this? Did God say that?" Question God's Word. Make me think maybe he didn't say the end of Mark's word, maybe the story of the woman caught in
adultery where Christ said I don't condemn you, "Go and sin no more," that story is not part of the gospel of John according to these liars, these deceivers. And a whole lot more. Like when Jesus said that certain kind of demons don't come out but by prayer, fasting and
prayer, that verse is taken out. Who but the devil would take the key to defeat him out of the Bible? Who else would be inspiring these people to remove verses and entire passages that affect doctrines like this. I could go on and on, it's not the point of the video, but the point is that you cannot trust these people and we have to have a passion and a zeal
for God's Word that goes with....those who came before us they gave us the Word of God at great risk to themselves, they suffered the loss of all things, many of them gave up their life's blood, they died as martyr's rather than give the manuscripts to those that were demanding them or tell where they had them hid.

All right, the King James Bible is the Bible of the martyrs, in the tradition of the martyrs. These new versions, no one died for and no one's dying for. Their manuscripts weren't even discovered and used until 1881. No one died for the Vatican manuscripts or the Sinaiticus manuscript, those Alexandrian forgeries.

The trail of blood of the martyrs is the Textus Receptus. The English Bibles preceding that, which were all based on it and ultimately the King James Bible. That is the trail of blood of the martyrs. God bless you.